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GET IT OFF YOUR CHEST - Sweden has blocked the extradition of a suspect in the kidnapping of a Russian journalist claiming that Russian legal procedures are not in line with European ones. Is this a valid reason?

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Sam November 2, 2007, 22:42: Still have nothing to add to the discussion John?

A nationalized citizen can be stripped of his passport while a Briton's passport can not be taken from him so i would say that even the government does not see them the same way.Our governments open door policy has cost the UK a lot.Handing out british passports to people who betray their homelands does not make us safer.Using british nationality as a carrot makes us less respected.Have you recently travelled to the USA? Litvenenko gets an british passport in under one year,Mohamed Al Fayed got his when? Oh hold on, he is still begging for one is he not? dispite employing thousands of UK nationals.He should just have kept his mouth shut and would have gotten one.

I would like to ask you question- Guy Burgess, Donald Maclean and Kim Philby were they British or Soviets.If the UK captured them would UK have the right to try them as traitors?
John November 2, 2007, 18:24: To Sam and Micheal.

I am proud to be British this is a great Country you people make me sick you come on to a foriegn web site trying to "brown nose" by sucking up to the hosts. If you think your Nation is such a bad place then why do you remain.

Yes Russians are patriots they defend their Nation same as i will always defend mine come what may.

And Micheal my veiws are the main stream otherwise "sell outs" like you would be running this Great Nation.

Micheal Sam try putting your veiws on the BBC news 24 site the British public will rip you apart.
G.D November 2, 2007, 17:44: Why the name calling? You disagree with John is your right but why the need to insult him?..........R.T has to do something about that or people will stop posting....
Sevodnya_Net November 2, 2007, 17:39: It was me who pointed out that Litvinenko was British, not John.

As far as I am concerned if for example Russian citizen comes to our country and takes British citizenship when, while still not ethnically British (whatever that means) then he or she is welcome and as far as I'm concerned is just as British as me under the law and equally deserving of the protection of the law of the land. That's what having a British passport means.
Michael November 2, 2007, 15:22: Sam i agree with you. I know how you feel and that idiot John should be ashamed of himself. The fact is he will never tell the truth but unfortunatley his view is in the vast minority with the population but for some reason the country is ruled by people with his pig headed views. And they say we live in a democracy? No wonder record numbers each year are emegrating from Britain as they plainly see the reality of everday situations.

And John Litvenenko is not British, isn't his name of Ukrainian orrigin who was a Russian national. If all the dregs of the world can claim to be British just because they get given a passport it's not something anyone can boast about. I would prefer a Russian passport as unlike many in our country Russians are actualy proud of there country and that is a good thing. Nobody asked me if my British passport can have the same value as terrorists with a British passport and that is the sad truth of Johns ideology
Sevodnya_Net November 2, 2007, 11:47: Sam,
As I started this I would like to apologise unreservedly for offending you. As RT says, lets's stick to the discussion, which again I apologise for straying from.
I think the central issue with this is that the Swedish govt took a decision on human rights grounds. I accept that it may not be wholly consistent with other decisions, but I think we ahould always judge the merits of each case separately and I fully understand their reservations about the Chechen regime.
At least the Russians to their credit were honest (or bureaucratic?) in refusing their request to move the legal proceedings. Perhaps they will reconsider as I understand that the journalist's relatives are not too happy about the prospect of a Chechen trial either.
sam November 2, 2007, 08:56: Okey Sevo, what ever you say.
Am Chinese,Georgian,Russian,African,american or a Briton with a public school education. What ever you like me too be.But frankly its none of your business.Dont try to distract attension. If you have no constructive points to add then thats your problem.
My impression of you and that is my business, but since you started it is. You are a first or at most second generation Georgian immigrant living in The UK (in the south and never left London) or Canada. [RT strongly suggests sticking to the point of discussion, not the personalities of those involved in it. Please.]
Sevodnya_Net November 2, 2007, 00:06: "Is it that you find it hard to believe a westerner can be so open to other peoples of the world and speak more then one language?"
Er, no I was just making the point that your English was not in the style of a native speaker - nothing wrong with that. I wish I could speak a foreign language as well as you. But you claim to be a native Brit and frankly I doubt that even more after your latest posting.
I'll ignore the rest of your comments, if you don't mind. Just to say sorry to disappoint but I, and no doubt John too, will continue to post our mesages on here in the spirit of open and honest debate and won't be put off by your insults and twisting of words. I'm quite happy to see different points of view from my own. It would be a bit dull if we all agreed, but let's try and disagree in a heated but at least polite and civilised manner.
Al November 1, 2007, 23:23: "You accuse Akhmed Zakaev of being involved in the Beslan killings. Sorry to be really boring again about this, but Mr Zakaev publicly condemned that act. Doesn't fit the conspiracy theories to pay an attention to the truth sometimes, tho, does it?"

A flowery Zakaev claim which has Vanessa Redgrave all weak in the knees is hardly empirical "proof" that he wasn't involved in Beslan or other terrorist attacks. It's just his statement - it doesn't prove anything one way or the other.

If one applies your schoolboy logic to the cash-for-peers row or the Iraq-can-launch-WMD's-against-the-West-in-45-minutes it becomes clear that Tony Blair never told a fib in his life either. After all, Tony said he was innocent of corruption and "that he genuinely believed in the WMD's" so that must make his every word true.
sam November 1, 2007, 23:19: Sorry to keep at it sevo:)

but i find your statment so amusing and dont know were it came from.
Is it that you find it hard to believe a westerner can be so open to other peoples of the world and speak more then one language?

Back to the point in question.
The legal system in sweden saw fit to send this guy back but the elected government who i do not think represent the legal system have a problem with it.So who is wrong?
sam November 1, 2007, 22:45: To Sevodnya - Yah sure Zakaev is not guilty cos he said so LOL give me a break mate.

Those who carried out the attacks in glasgow were not british.You seem to have problem reading in English.I never pointed out that they were british in any way.Those who attacked London were mostly nationalized british.

Sorry to disappoint you but my "style" of writing is english,guess you never met many of us.Yes am very english or "native" lancashire chap.

Now John,You keep behaving like a blind child.Russia this, russia that.Never in any of my posts did i state that Russia is better then Uk.Did i? nope.I did state that we are doing the wrong thing by habouring criminals and have not stopped our colonial behaviour.Funny how some people start claiming you are someone else or a traitor when you point out points they do not like.

Sevo and John if you do not want to hear thinks you do not like,or do not have anything wise to contribute i would advice you do not come to discussion forums and go read a comic book and stop attacking others directly.
Sevodnya_Net November 1, 2007, 12:58: Sam forgive me for making an issue of it - I only do so because you keep announcing your British citizenship in most of your posts - however your style of writing English suggests you are not a native Brit. As I say, this wouldn't be relevant normally only you do seem to have it in for Britain rather!
John November 1, 2007, 12:21: Sam on every topic you never stick to the points being debated, you just launch into your pre-prepared anti Britain speech we have all read a hundred times before,boring and predictable.
So you think you would have no problem living in the "garden of Eden" called Russia well let me know your departure date and i will come and "wave you off."
Sevodnya_Net November 1, 2007, 10:22: Sam,
You accuse Akhmed Zakaev of being involved in the Beslan killings. Sorry to be really boring again about this, but Mr Zakaev publicly condemned that act. Doesn't fit the conspiracy theories to pay an attention to the truth sometimes, tho, does it?
As you say yourself many of the terrorist acts at home are committed by Brits, so they can't really be extradited anywhere can they?
Similarly Al, even if your ideas are correct they shouldn't blind you to the evils committed in the parts of the world you're trying to defend.
If every country in the world refused to condemn or point the finger at any other country simply because they were embarrassed by their own history then it would be an unqueried licence to kill by every modern day tin pot dictator because no one would ever say anything!
sam November 1, 2007, 03:03: To add to my note
Have you ever been to eastern europe John?
Well i have travelled a lot in the eastern europe and i can tell you i have been to russia on many occations and cannt see why i will not survive there.People there are friendly.I have studied history and politics of eastern europe and fluent in Bulgarian and Russian.and can be understand to a large degree serbo croat,polish chech and other slav as they are closly related.
My dear country man i do not comment on what i have not see.My holidays do not involve sitting in the clubs of spain.
Am also fluent in Pigeon form of English spoken in west africa,you know what that means,and i know what the local people think of us the good old colonial lords and i dont like it.