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GET IT OFF YOUR CHEST - Does the UN have a future or is it rusty and dead?
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- Robert August 29, 2008, 17:32
- Re: Arina, Vijay, Aryan etc
……………………yawn! Ok seriously, do you really expect me to respond to your comments? You have used just about every trick in the book to try and evade my argument and deflect any sort of criticism. When an argument like this degenerates into emotional rhetoric with swearing, cursing and other inflammatory language, well it is quite clear that you have lost and you have no more valid points to make.
Believe me, if you want to start talking about human rights abuses, tyranny and enslavement, Africa, China and Russia are rather indefensible cases on your part. What the former colonial powers did to the people of Africa pales in comparison to what they did to each other in the post colonial era, Africa has none other than itself to blame for its current state. Russia murdered and exterminated more of its own people that any other country in history and then they exported this to the people of Eastern Europe. Meanwhile in communist China perpetuated a continuous genocide which lasted from the founding of the PRC right up to the late 70’s. Let us not forget their attack on India, or have we forgotten about that already?
Your tactics are only meant to distract attention from the greater truth, that there can be no place for tyrants and monsters at a world table, this is tantamount to appeasement. Your attacks are baseless and irrelevant as far as the current argument is concerned. When someone raises valid points against you it is not logical or appropriate to start talking about other things before addressing the issue at hand, I know that there are many people on this earth who are easily confounded and distracted by such subversive warfare, but I am not one of them! Whilst it is true that colonial rule helped western countries to progress, the extent of this is often exaggerated. Many non-colonial countries in the west prospered and the “colonial” powers were actually quite well off before they ever set foot in Africa or Asia or wherever.
India is an exception to my criticism. Although it also has had its own dark chapters in the post-colonial era I must commend the country for its recent progress, its educated workforce and its democratic system. It should most certainly have a greater say in global matters. Brazil is another country that I would like to exempt from this sort of criticism, but its economic progress has been quite sluggish and hence it will have to make greater strides before it can be considered.
Russia has done nothing to deserve its current stature as a “global leader” and in this respect it should be replaced by India on the Security Council. Japan and Germany most certainly also deserve a greater say, as does the EU as a collective body.
Despite the brutal history of China and its authoritarianism, it has been rather peaceful and cooperative in the last decade or so. It would probably be better to try and engage China further as opposed to alienating it, thus it should stay, on the condition that it commits itself to a gradual and steady process of democratization.
- Aryan Indian August 28, 2008, 23:20
- What does France has which India, Brazil dont have? for france to be in UN and not India or Brazil, is it Economy? or Size of land Area, or Industrialization? what? India and Brazil beats in economy, land area, industrialization, in every aspect France is freaking lower then India and Brazil, YET france enjoys UN membership and gives lapdance to US and UK.
MUST BE otherwise, there is no other reason France can be in UN and India and Brazil can left out, (US knows, that bastard wont get lap dance from India or Brazil) thats why they are not in UN
- Arina August 28, 2008, 14:54
- despicable human rights and democratic records
Yes UN is for rest of the world and not for US,UK,France,Germany,
Talk about Democractic and Human Rights RECROD?
to explain that let me first start with
-Nation made with ethnic cleansing and Occupation
-Concentraion camps in Gitmo
-Torture in Abu Ghraib.
-Killing Innocent children and women
-Capture and Torture American style is the norm now a days,
So much for Human rights and Democracy.
WEST TO EAST, Our Police in Russia never have to Draw Gun on any one, when we driving in car, we can easily pass police car, while in your west, every body has to lagg behind the police car, even if you doing the speed limit.
Every single day there is atleast 100 incidence where police threaten people with gun to surrender, Black people gets beaten EVERY SINGLE DAY.
Since the occupation of Afghanistan, OPIUM production is at its Record level.
SOO much for Democracy and Human Rights.
you even detain your own citizens without any charges filed, forget about Iraqi or Afghan citizen.
Your own governement commited 9/11 killing 3000 people, THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN in India, or Russia, or China or in Brazil,
We are Rich and proud of what we have in our family, our heart, our mind and our soul,
Not being rich and proud with what we have in our Bank, while we are completely Bankrups in our Moral, In our Hearts, and our Minds,
We dont go keep bombing people EVERY DAY, every WESTERN president comes in power, he talks about war, to come in power and as soon as he comes in power, HE STARTS some kind of war.
OUR PRESIDENTS are not X- Drung Drivers, went to jail,
Our Presidents dont have sex with 20 years old Intern when he has his own wife and a daughter older then the Intern.
we have real happiness other then your material world, you spend millions on cars, and plasma tv and Drugs and Alcohol
while your MOST OF Movie stars and POP and RAP singer are Drug Addict, Looking for happiness somewhere else.
Our BRIC believes in Construction, Peace and Dialogues.
While your WEST believes in WAR, Distruction and FORCE.
White Hourse,and Pentagon.Inc is the biggest Human Right and Democracy Violator then any one else,
THERE WAS A REAL PEACE AND EQUALITY BEFORE YOU BASTARDS SHOWED UP FROM NO WHERE.
TALK ABOUT DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS. lol
- Aryan Indian August 28, 2008, 14:39
- "Without our investments and expertise Russia would be still be sitting on frozen (unexploited) Siberian oil, as opposed to cashing its petro-dollars"
you Idiot me laugh, Russia has invented more things then US, this Radio Wave, Satellite and putting Animal and Human in Space, Russia did this,
One more thing" What separates you from the west is not wealth or power"
yes yoru US is thug and Illegal bastars, Who was created on Occupation and Ethenic cleansing.
What seperates BRIC's India and China from WEST is our culture, Our Wife dont go and sleep with other man just because she gets argument with husband over something, and neither does our man goes and sleeps with other women or go to stip clubs, just because Wife was out of town.
We were richest nation since long time ago, that was the only reason British bastards came to Take all the GOODIES from India, and thats why China Built the great wall to KEEP you bastards away from us. and that is why You want to go After Iraq Iran and now Russia for its REAL RICH THINGS, which matter, YOU ARE SOO POOR, YOU MIGHT HAVE SO CALLED PAPER MONEY, BUT WHATEVER INDIA,CHINA,RUSSIA AND BRAZIL HAVE IN THEIR HEART, MIND AND SOUL, you Brits and US bastards will never be able to achieve. NEVER. and that is the RICHNESS or our GREAT nations have, We just Becoming PAPER MONEY RICH, just to play your game back to you, and throw you out of your fucking power. Thats all.
We might not be Rich in 21st century because WE DONT LEECH on poor people, Buy Nigerian oil for Dirth Cheap and sell Military hardware for Arms and Legs,
Your our investments and expertise is shit, You expertise is just CAPITALISM at any cost, even your own TAX money. I have lived in US for 12 years and I know HOW YOUR COUNTRY works.
No wonder todays Africa is Poorer then ever, because You BRITS and US bastards went there and took over all the natural resources which belongs to African people, You might watch BLOOD DIAMOND movie, You D'Beers OWNS the Diamond Mines in South Africa? wow, how did that happened?
as they say in Africa, " WE HAD EVERYTHING AND WHITE BRITS CAME WITH BIBLE TO us, NOW THEY HAVE EVERYTHING WE HAD AND WE ARE LEFT WITH ONLY BIBLE IN HAND"
WE DONT SUCK BLOOD OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE TO BECOME RICH, LIKE YOU GUYS DO, WITH YOUR "EXPERTISE"
Our Morals and Culture is way way Better then your Material world, You support Georgian bastard and not Russia who lost 10 times more people in thir war. SO MUCH FOR YOUR EXPERTISE, You President is Stupider then my 14 year old Nephew, I can tell you that much, Right now,
GO TEACH HIM HOW TO PRONOUCE "NUCLEAR" to start with first of all.
YOUR NATION IS ILLEGAL, MADE ON ETHNIC CLEANSING AND OCCUPATION of other peoples LAND, what fucking MORALS you have to talk to BRIC about its EAST and WEST DIFFERENCE?
- Vijay Singh August 28, 2008, 12:32
- Robert rants - As long as the illegal and repressive regimes of Russia and China will continue to be represented on the Security Council I will hold this entire organization in complete contempt.
CNN cites the other day as Bush being the most hated leader in history...
I suppose that is false...
The US state department releases a statement of the 7 countries out the G-8 condemning RF, W/O consulting any other country other than probably UK, presenting it as a fait-accompli, so that no other country can deny the statement.
Is that untrue?
The US pentagon employs private armies such as Backwater and others to fight its many proxy wars, in which thousands of children die and lives get extinguished...just for the narrow Geo-Political games of the US brass.
That is just?
Blacks still feel discriminated against, Indians feel destroyed and Mexicans defeated in USA...
Is that incorrect or not worth mentioning...?
Robert, before you open your dirty mouth again in future, remember there are other people who live in this world, other than senile bodies like you...with hopes, ambitions and unfulfilled aspirations...
Al of which cannot be extinguished by Aircraft carriers and cruise missiles..!
And thus a just, great and representative UN is required...!
- Robert August 28, 2008, 03:50
- The UN has become a propaganda forum, much like this one, for those with the most despicable human rights and democratic records.
It is irrelevant and a relic of the past and what is worse is that it gives credibility and diplomatic credentials to those who should be completely ignored and sidelined.
As long as the illegal and repressive regimes of Russia and China will continue to be represented on the Security Council I will hold this entire organisation in complete contempt.
The world has shown time and again that it wants democracy, liberty and freedom. Get over yourselves with your "BRIC" grand ideology because it is a whole bunch of nonsense. Your "BRIC" nations have only come to prominence because they profited from a global economic environment based on the free market, a system that Russia opposed for much of its history and a system championed tirelessly by the west. We created your success and now you seem to think that you have some sort of moral high ground. If we had left you to your own devices Russia would still be the USSR and both Russia and China would still be handing out ration cards to their citizens, entitling them to 300g of meat a month and newspaper toilet paper. A thank you would suffice
It is by our system that your "Empire " has re-arisen and you have succeeded because we let you tap our markets whilst we invested massive amounts of financial capital into “BRIC”. Without our investments and expertise Russia would be still be sitting on frozen (unexploited) Siberian oil, as opposed to cashing its petro-dollars and all the related benefits that go along with this.
Perhaps this was a mistake, we were probably wrong to trust you and now we have to rectify the outcomes of our actions. One such rectification could and should start with the UN, get rid of it and deprive the criminal regimes in Caracas, Moscow, Minsk, Pyongyang, etc of a tool for legitimising their rule and their enslavement of billions of people.
The UN should consider an embargo, a quarantine of those nations who undermine the basic principles of democracy and liberal values. Obviously Russia should fall under such an embargo.
What separates you from the west is not wealth or power. You people have never understood this and you have always tried to match us in all spheres in the hope that this would establish an air of legitimacy and credibility over your hegemonic ambitions. My friends, you may one day become rich and powerful (if not so already), but rich and powerful thugs are still just thugs and the UN is no place for you.
- Aryan Indian August 28, 2008, 01:02
- UN is dead, Biased, It forces its own agenda which are US agenda's, UN is ruled by US and has no future. All the UN laws and International Laws are made for the rest of the world MINUS US,UK, France,Germany and few other WHITE european countries who sleeps with Uncle Sam every time he calls her.
If US and its government don't follows its own national constitute, and the people of US can not have the freedem they deserve by their constitution, as S.of state Kissinger once said, US Government is not obligued to respect any international laws when it comes to US Interest. And it will force its own agenda against any Internation opposition in any ways it means, including Militarily.
This says it all. so US dont respect UN laws then WHY anyone else should?
UN makes laws and rules for other nations and US, UK dont have to follow them, That kind of COMMUNIST organization wont last any longer.
- Sam August 27, 2008, 11:10
- United nations is dying and needs major reform.
For starters the Security council needs major reorganisation.Veto powers most be stripped and a democratic Voting system used only.
Veto powers had given five countries the right to block any resolution that does not follow their own policies.
Then again,something needs to be done to countries that bypass the UN to seek their own agendas.
UN peacekeeping operations are a joke and that arm of UN has to be looked into.
- Predrag August 27, 2008, 06:43
- What is UN? Aaaah.. You mean that impotent piece of bureaucratic relic where countries like the US,UK and France, Germany, The Nederlands… - the countries that quantitatively and qualitatively caused the biggest amount of atrocities, plunder, theft, racism, murder throughout the history are – through their embedded, one way, unfair, incorrect, propagandist and among many other negative things simply lying journalism - telling the rest of us – from whom they have, for centuries, stolen - so that they can today be fat and rich, have their museums full of our things – things that we have built while their wiped their hands against dogs after eating their food being ilitirate and burning on sticks those who kept other faiths - what the democracy, human rights and future is? If that’s what you are talking about – yes, that is dead.
- Vijay Singh August 27, 2008, 00:39
- The UN is a dead organisation as long as non-worthy nations, such as France and UK sit in the Security Council, with real Superpowers like India, Brazil are kept out...
All due to Western hypocrisy...!
- David August 26, 2008, 20:54
- UN?
You mean USA, don't you?
Either way, it is still governed by Bush or whomever supposed to lead the way from Washington.
So, yes it is dead in the water (to use RICE's words) I just wonder how she is able to sleep at night after the mass murder of the Sth Osettian people?
- Aryan Indian August 26, 2008, 13:31
- UN was rusty already (by 2001) It is dead now as long as I feel, Sudan President don't believe in UN court tribunal, CUBA, N.Korea already don't give F**K about Bias and US run UN, Iran, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Every one knows UN,NATO,EU,WTO,IMF this all are nick names of USA.
We look at all the world conflict and all this killing and suffering caused by US, you can doubt if there is anything UN did, because UN=US everyone knows that.
So long UN, have peace 6 feet under, Rest well my criminal, rest well.
- cloclo August 26, 2008, 03:51
- i dont know if is it the UNITE NATION you are talking, if it is , i say NO, after nearly 70years after it creation, it still dominated by the great powers, as long as it is no neutral, there are no future at all, look at what is going on my country CONGO DEMOCRATIC, the peacekeeper are violating women, arming rebel fraction in exchange with minerals, UN are going to world destruction.
- anonymous thing August 20, 2008, 16:00
- The UN has a bleak future as it's going pretty much the same way as the League of Nations, as its ineffectiveness against Georgia might spell the beginning of the end for it.
Maybe the UN states can turn this around but it's not looking good, I feel.
- Doug August 13, 2008, 07:28
- The private families that print the most of the worlds money have the UN as their tool.
The Rogue nations that Bush talked about are just nations that have national banks and won't let the Rockefeller/Rothschild banking cartel print their money for them and lend it to them with interest.
There is a movie that explains banking, its called "Money As Debt". Its brilliant because anyone can understand 40+ minute cartoon.
The people that print the money own most of the world.
I hope Russia has its own national bank and uses that instead of the private family money to finance their country.
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