I'll go one further and say that the evidence that planes flew into the towers is very shakey, check out the documentary september clues http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8045542387672451515&ei=uT5_SsK-FM6z-Aa9iZmzDw&q=september+clues Its not unpatriotic to question.....quite the opposite, We must question things, otherwise, politicians or more seriously, international finance, will flex there muscles in horrendous ways.
Apart from the physical evidence that the US governmennt's conspiracy theory is a lie those who believe in it should ask themselves one question. Why were there no planes launched from Andrews Air force base to intercept flight 77? The fact that they were not is a red hot indicator of US govt complicity in the attacks. Of Course the US congress wasn't involved but the planners were working behind the scenes of government with some members of government having a direct involvement. Those were Rumsfeld, Cheney. Bush was told it would happen and then was given his script to read.
The claim that no plane pieces or body parts were found at the Pentagon is a pure lie. Therefore this totally negates this conspiracy claim. The World Trade Center was a cascade failure: much like stepping on a paper cup it holds strong until it suddenly and completely fails - this explains the floor by floor collapse of the buildings.
all the evidence is right there!!! and you are denying it?!?! this was so a hoax!!!! the airplanes crashed on the TOP PART of the twin towers and the whole**** fell to the floor!!!!! the airplane only would of damaged the top but not destroy it all!!!!! all of this is true and i agree with thispost!!! *thumbs up* =]
Get real!! In order for the government to pull off something of this magnitude, the Pres., Vice Pres., and the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives would ALL have to be in agreement on many aspects. The congress cannot even agree what day it is, let alone come to an agreement to pull this off. If I firmly believed my government was so hateful as to do this I would leave for another country. MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD DO !!
i dont mean to offend anybody by saying this but people are always complaining about americans being unpatriotic. well let me tell you somethin believe it or not you people that are saying that 9/11 was a hoax, that it was all staged, arent any better. how **** can you be to think or even have the audacity to say that kind of things about the nation that you live in and gives you a place to call...home. i'm starting to think that you people are starting to forget what home really means. let me describe it for you, home is a place where you you stand up for one another and it makes me sick to see that you people would even think about saying that one of the worst attacks on american soil was set up. people are talking about feeling sick about our american government.....well theyre the ones that make the decisions that help give you a place to call home and you take advantage of that and disgraceyour homeland. how can you people do that.........
f.y.i. i was only seven or eight at the time of the attack and i remember being glued to the televisin trying to get every detail. in my mind it's not even close to being a hoax.
i'm not a marine but plan to be when i graduate high school, so what i said about 9/11 being a hoax it's what i learned from caring people that are proud to call the united states of america home....
July 22, 2009, 01:28, p.andriole wrote > on the morning of 9/11 i was being sedated for back surgery, so i couldn't know anything about the WTC and its fate. but when i recovered from the anesthesia and for the next few days , i cried and cried just watching the TV reacount over and over what happened. how can we perceive a conspiracy? instead of wasting time trying to point the finger at someone, try praying for the souls that died on that beautiful morning. i do. i have not forgotten. we should never forget. just like our fighting soldiers in the mid east. pray for them all.
you people and your ideas of how the government covered up 911 need to have some respect. Find something else to do besides disrespect the dead
You have no qualifications to be making any claims of damage. Are you an expert? If not don't judge Let me provide you with insight from some one with experience. I am a Senior Master Sergeant with the United States Airforce and have been with them for 14 years, I've done my time and had my experiences. Let me tell you jet fuel burns hot real hot.
We had a lock head go up in flames after it had been beaten up by birds in a flight enough to cause wing damage. Some how over night it went up probably due to a bad weld. Let me tell you no one could get close to the thing because of the amount of heat it generated.
And for your jet fuel can't melt steel theory, wrong. The roof above plane has steel girders running across it and they were melting within 4 hours. Mind you the roof is about 100 feet higher then the plane.
The official story makes no sense at all. Kerosene does not burn hot enough to melt steel and fire does not pulverize concrete, as fire is a weathering agent but it does not erode. Even with contiguous fuels, fire does not burn downhill without wind. there were no downslope winds reported that day. Something other than aircraft were responsible for the destruction of those two buildings, which collapsed very symmetrically. Why would one need demolition experts if all you had to do was crash a big airplane into it? There was no aircraft debris and yet some of the hot section engine components should have survived that burn.
The hole in the Pentagon was too small to have been made by the aircraft that was never found. The building is an old wooden structure that by all rights should have incurred far greater damage. If the fuselage went the first floor and the engines are below that, why wasn’t the lawn destroyed by them? The lawn was immaculate before someone had it covered in sand. The person said to have flown the aircraft wasn’t qualified to fly a light single engine aircraft, a prerequisite for all pilots of large multi-engine aircraft and the maneuvers he had to perform to get there were well beyond his capabilities. No aircraft debris was ever found.
Aircraft number four, Shanksville, Pennsylvania was never found. There was a hole, but no aircraft debris from a large twin engine jet was ever found. Someone suggested it buried itself in the ground, like a flounder in the sand, but that only happens in cartoons.
Aircraft just don’t disintegrate in a crash. Four large aircraft crashed that day but there wasn’t enough debris between them to build the tail end of a Piper Cub. Was physics given a vacation that day to justify a war with someone who had nothing to do with the events that day?
It is obvious to me as i have studied 9/11 i depth as much as i can, that this was an inside job.
You could go on for days pointing out all the different things not only about that day's events but way before it and way after 9/11 that points to that conclusion.
Just a couple of examples are the Wolfowitz doctrine, PNAC, etc.
I totally agree, there are a lot of unanswered questions, and the one's that were answered do mesh with what happened. I have read and watch many reports about 9/11, they leave more questions than answers. Why was Bush so calm when he was told about the Towers being struck, it was as if he already knew what was going to happen. No air defense tried to stop them, what's that about? The plane in PA was shot down, it didn't crash as the report suggests, another lie. Those buildings were demolished with explosives, they didn't fall because of the planes crashing into them, and why did an nearby Bldg#7 collapse that wasn't hit, these were steel structures! Bush/Cheney stink to high heaven in this, one of the most horrible attacks on US soil. They did nothing prior to this to stop it, and they had intelligence from multiple sorces telling them what was about to happen, but they ignored it! Bush wanted a war, he wanted Iraq to be a target, a country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11, these people are dangerous, treasonous, and should be prosecuted for their crimes, they make me SICK!
on the morning of 9/11 i was being sedated for back surgery, so i couldn't know anything about the WTC and its fate. but when i recovered from the anesthesia and for the next few days , i cried and cried just watching the TV reacount over and over what happened. how can we perceive a conspiracy? instead of wasting time trying to point the finger at someone, try praying for the souls that died on that beautiful morning. i do. i have not forgotten. we should never forget. just like our fighting soldiers in the mid east. pray for them all.
please understand that our government had BLACKWATER teams available to them to install "security cameras systems" for at least two weeks prior to the incident. fire drills were conducted to test for timing.
who was in the buildings to see what they were doing??
have you ever reviewed reports of occupancy of the buildings prior to 11 september 2001. are you aware of the reconstruction after an earlier fire in the buildings, or the attempted destruction in the basements??
Building occupancy would also explain the percentage of the buildings owned by the same companies who are getting the lions share of the current bailout money.
no one is talking about how all those very same companies have moved their HQ to the towers in DUBAI.
I do hope the public wakes up soon to the new takeover by untraceable business people.
I think it is very significant in the cover up by the government that the public was told within days that DNA identification was made of every passenger, which hijackers on each aircraft, and where they were sitting.
EVEN AFTER THE BUILDINGS BURNED.
you want to talk about trickery.
What about the explosion timing?? no one is talking about the seismic findings that matched the floor demolitions. no one is talking about the fuel fires in the pictures on the outside of the buildings that would discredit alan's comments. no one is talking about the heat thirty feet in the ground under the buildings for days after the collapse. no one is talking about the companies that did the cleanup were the very same companies who built the original buildings and managed the workers for all three buildings and the airport. no one is talking about the silence of the workers who did the cleanup. no one is talking about how the public paid for and suffered because of the cleanup while the new owners and the banks made money. I could probably go on for days with this stuff. Does anybody care anymore??
Alan..please explain then what brought down building #7. There were three buildings that fell that day. Building 7 was not hit by any aircraft. And one does not have to be an engineer to know when they see something that is impossible. For instance, when watching a ninja film and a person leaps from the ground to the top of a 2 story building one automatically knows that is trickery and needs no explaination from a physicist. When 2 huge skyscrapers fall (never ever happened before in the history of the world) one does not need to be an engineer to know something is fishy. Particularily when another building nearby implodes hours later and when a plane disappears and we are shown a hole in the ground and are told that is the sight of a plane crash. (Like nothing we have ever seen before. No plane parts, just a hole and some smoke.) Why the unanswered questions? Why were the 9/11 widows questions ignored? They were very good questions. Something is fishy. Whatever it is, no one knows for sure unless they were involved. Maybe the millions of missing dollars in Iraq is hush money. By the way, building 7 could have had computers in it operating the detinations. Maybe that is why that building was destroyed the way it was. I watched every detail of the news the week of 9/11 all day every day and it just did not add up. A lot of that film coverage has since been concealed from us, but while it was happening I was watching it all. I heard people saying there were explosions going off in the building. I heard Guilianni saying that building 7 was coming down before it came down. Some of that film coverage has not been seen since. Alan, you do not impress me and if you are an engineer get your so called educated mind out from under your denial.
I would like to know how Mary can make this kind of statement. Is she one of the seven hundred survivors?? If she was in one of the buildings, how did she see the aircraft?? If she was on the ground, how did she see inside the windows?? She says she was there is just not reason enough for me. How can you be disrepectful of anybody who was not actually on the aircraft?? These families were paid a great deal of insurance money not to ask questions.
If you look at the passenger manifests on each aircraft, and even the workers in the buildings, you will find that the people were on the aircraft sponsored or employed by the same twelve companies that have ruled the world since the organized crime days. At some point someone will discover these missing people under the city of Dubai working to lead the world business as untraceable workers.
Alan's statement is just so full of pathetic misdirection. It is the same message from wayne earlier. What a load of meaningless garbage.
The truth is in the details you are avoiding.
You would be a disgrace to any engineering profession. Answer me this bud: WHY hasn't ANY engineer EVER stood up in court under oath to make your arguments??
"thousands and thousands of experts" WHERE are they??
This is the same drumbeat the goverment wants to hypnotize the public with, and the public is not really that stupid.
The use of drone aircraft in Afghanistan is teaching the public new things and the "aircraft did it" stupidity will not hold up for long.
April 30, 2009, 16:42, Alan wrote > Any engineer will explain in minute detail why there is no conspiracy. I won't waste time getting into detail but the truth is intense concetrated heat from jet feul brought those buildings down. A jumbo jet travelling at almost 500 mph slamming into the Pentagon caused the penetration and disineigration of bodies and materials. Take a crash course in structural engineering or weapons design and these conspiracy theories will all fall away very quickly. Also, watch this or any other documentary on any subject you choose. Remove from that particular story anything that is theory and not proven fact. Review the evidence in front of you and make a rational decision based on fact. Do not allow emotion to make decisions of such magnitude for you. The people who hijacked those planes did. By the way, yes, I am an engineer.
August 14, 2009, 23:26
the 911 attacks was all planed out and we all know that the bush family knew about the whole thing
August 10, 2009, 02:50
Zeitgeist got it right. All of it!
August 09, 2009, 21:27
I'll go one further and say that the evidence that planes flew into the towers is very shakey, check out the documentary september clues http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8045542387672451515&ei=uT5_SsK-FM6z-Aa9iZmzDw&q=september+clues
Its not unpatriotic to question.....quite the opposite, We must question things, otherwise, politicians or more seriously, international finance, will flex there muscles in horrendous ways.
August 08, 2009, 18:15
Apart from the physical evidence that the US governmennt's conspiracy theory is a lie those who believe in it should ask themselves one question. Why were there no planes launched from Andrews Air force base to intercept flight 77? The fact that they were not is a red hot indicator of US govt complicity in the attacks. Of Course the US congress wasn't involved but the planners were working behind the scenes of government with some members of government having a direct involvement. Those were Rumsfeld, Cheney. Bush was told it would happen and then was given his script to read.
August 04, 2009, 00:51
The claim that no plane pieces or body parts were found at the Pentagon is a pure lie. Therefore this totally negates this conspiracy claim. The World Trade Center was a cascade failure: much like stepping on a paper cup it holds strong until it suddenly and completely fails - this explains the floor by floor collapse of the buildings.
August 03, 2009, 15:21
all the evidence is right there!!! and you are denying it?!?! this was so a hoax!!!! the airplanes crashed on the TOP PART of the twin towers and the whole**** fell to the floor!!!!! the airplane only would of damaged the top but not destroy it all!!!!! all of this is true and i agree with thispost!!! *thumbs up* =]
August 02, 2009, 01:55
Get real!! In order for the government to pull off something of this magnitude, the Pres., Vice Pres., and the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives would ALL have to be in agreement on many aspects. The congress cannot even agree what day it is, let alone come to an agreement to pull this off. If I firmly believed my government was so hateful as to do this I would leave for another country. MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD DO !!
July 31, 2009, 13:25
i dont mean to offend anybody by saying this but people are always complaining about americans being unpatriotic. well let me tell you somethin believe it or not you people that are saying that 9/11 was a hoax, that it was all staged, arent any better. how **** can you be to think or even have the audacity to say that kind of things about the nation that you live in and gives you a place to call...home. i'm starting to think that you people are starting to forget what home really means. let me describe it for you, home is a place where you you stand up for one another and it makes me sick to see that you people would even think about saying that one of the worst attacks on american soil was set up. people are talking about feeling sick about our american government.....well theyre the ones that make the decisions that help give you a place to call home and you take advantage of that and disgraceyour homeland. how can you people do that.........
f.y.i. i was only seven or eight at the time of the attack and i remember being glued to the televisin trying to get every detail. in my mind it's not even close to being a hoax.
i'm not a marine but plan to be when i graduate high school, so what i said about 9/11 being a hoax it's what i learned from caring people that are proud to call the united states of america home....
July 30, 2009, 05:54
July 22, 2009, 01:28, p.andriole wrote
> on the morning of 9/11 i was being sedated for back surgery, so i couldn't know anything about the WTC and its fate. but when i recovered from the anesthesia and for the next few days , i cried and cried just watching the TV reacount over and over what happened. how can we perceive a conspiracy? instead of wasting time trying to point the finger at someone, try praying for the souls that died on that beautiful morning. i do. i have not forgotten. we should never forget. just like our fighting soldiers in the mid east. pray for them all.
July 29, 2009, 03:23
you people and your ideas of how the government covered up 911 need to have some respect. Find something else to do besides disrespect the dead
You have no qualifications to be making any claims of damage. Are you an expert? If not don't judge
Let me provide you with insight from some one with experience. I am a Senior Master Sergeant with the United States Airforce and have been with them for 14 years, I've done my time and had my experiences. Let me tell you jet fuel burns hot real hot.
We had a lock head go up in flames after it had been beaten up by birds in a flight enough to cause wing damage. Some how over night it went up probably due to a bad weld. Let me tell you no one could get close to the thing because of the amount of heat it generated.
And for your jet fuel can't melt steel theory, wrong. The roof above plane has steel girders running across it and they were melting within 4 hours. Mind you the roof is about 100 feet higher then the plane.
July 27, 2009, 20:12
The official story makes no sense at all. Kerosene does not burn hot enough to melt steel and fire does not pulverize concrete, as fire is a weathering agent but it does not erode. Even with contiguous fuels, fire does not burn downhill without wind. there were no downslope winds reported that day. Something other than aircraft were responsible for the destruction of those two buildings, which collapsed very symmetrically. Why would one need demolition experts if all you had to do was crash a big airplane into it? There was no aircraft debris and yet some of the hot section engine components should have survived that burn.
The hole in the Pentagon was too small to have been made by the aircraft that was never found. The building is an old wooden structure that by all rights should have incurred far greater damage. If the fuselage went the first floor and the engines are below that, why wasn’t the lawn destroyed by them? The lawn was immaculate before someone had it covered in sand. The person said to have flown the aircraft wasn’t qualified to fly a light single engine aircraft, a prerequisite for all pilots of large multi-engine aircraft and the maneuvers he had to perform to get there were well beyond his capabilities. No aircraft debris was ever found.
Aircraft number four, Shanksville, Pennsylvania was never found. There was a hole, but no aircraft debris from a large twin engine jet was ever found. Someone suggested it buried itself in the ground, like a flounder in the sand, but that only happens in cartoons.
Aircraft just don’t disintegrate in a crash. Four large aircraft crashed that day but there wasn’t enough debris between them to build the tail end of a Piper Cub. Was physics given a vacation that day to justify a war with someone who had nothing to do with the events that day?
July 24, 2009, 02:48
It is obvious to me as i have studied 9/11 i depth as much as i can, that this was an inside job.
You could go on for days pointing out all the different things not only about that day's events but way before it and way after 9/11 that points to that conclusion.
Just a couple of examples are the Wolfowitz doctrine, PNAC, etc.
July 22, 2009, 18:49
I totally agree, there are a lot of unanswered questions, and the one's that were answered do mesh with what happened. I have read and watch many reports about 9/11, they leave more questions than answers. Why was Bush so calm when he was told about the Towers being struck, it was as if he already knew what was going to happen. No air defense tried to stop them, what's that about? The plane in PA was shot down, it didn't crash as the report suggests, another lie. Those buildings were demolished with explosives, they didn't fall because of the planes crashing into them, and why did an nearby Bldg#7 collapse that wasn't hit, these were steel structures! Bush/Cheney stink to high heaven in this, one of the most horrible attacks on US soil. They did nothing prior to this to stop it, and they had intelligence from multiple sorces telling them what was about to happen, but they ignored it! Bush wanted a war, he wanted Iraq to be a target, a country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11, these people are dangerous, treasonous, and should be prosecuted for their crimes, they make me SICK!
July 22, 2009, 01:28
on the morning of 9/11 i was being sedated for back surgery, so i couldn't know anything about the WTC and its fate. but when i recovered from the anesthesia and for the next few days , i cried and cried just watching the TV reacount over and over what happened. how can we perceive a conspiracy? instead of wasting time trying to point the finger at someone, try praying for the souls that died on that beautiful morning. i do. i have not forgotten. we should never forget. just like our fighting soldiers in the mid east. pray for them all.
July 16, 2009, 21:25
Angel elf
please understand that our government had BLACKWATER teams available to them to install "security cameras systems" for at least two weeks prior to the incident. fire drills were conducted to test for timing.
who was in the buildings to see what they were doing??
have you ever reviewed reports of occupancy of the buildings prior to 11 september 2001.
are you aware of the reconstruction after an earlier fire in the buildings, or the attempted destruction in the basements??
Building occupancy would also explain the percentage of the buildings owned by the same companies who are getting the lions share of the current bailout money.
no one is talking about how all those very same companies have moved their HQ to the towers in DUBAI.
I do hope the public wakes up soon to the new takeover by untraceable business people.
July 16, 2009, 21:05
Katheryn is correct.
I think it is very significant in the cover up by the government that the public was told within days that DNA identification was made of every passenger, which hijackers on each aircraft, and where they were sitting.
EVEN AFTER THE BUILDINGS BURNED.
you want to talk about trickery.
What about the explosion timing??
no one is talking about the seismic findings that matched the floor demolitions.
no one is talking about the fuel fires in the pictures on the outside of the buildings that would discredit alan's comments.
no one is talking about the heat thirty feet in the ground under the buildings for days after the collapse.
no one is talking about the companies that did the cleanup were the very same companies who built the original buildings and managed the workers for all three buildings and the airport.
no one is talking about the silence of the workers who did the cleanup.
no one is talking about how the public paid for and suffered because of the cleanup while the new owners and the banks made money.
I could probably go on for days with this stuff.
Does anybody care anymore??
July 16, 2009, 10:59
Alan..please explain then what brought down building #7. There were three buildings that fell that day. Building 7 was not hit by any aircraft. And one does not have to be an engineer to know when they see something that is impossible. For instance, when watching a ninja film and a person leaps from the ground to the top of a 2 story building one automatically knows that is trickery and needs no explaination from a physicist. When 2 huge skyscrapers fall (never ever happened before in the history of the world) one does not need to be an engineer to know something is fishy. Particularily when another building nearby implodes hours later and when a plane disappears and we are shown a hole in the ground and are told that is the sight of a plane crash. (Like nothing we have ever seen before. No plane parts, just a hole and some smoke.) Why the unanswered questions? Why were the 9/11 widows questions ignored? They were very good questions. Something is fishy. Whatever it is, no one knows for sure unless they were involved. Maybe the millions of missing dollars in Iraq is hush money. By the way, building 7 could have had computers in it operating the detinations. Maybe that is why that building was destroyed the way it was. I watched every detail of the news the week of 9/11 all day every day and it just did not add up. A lot of that film coverage has since been concealed from us, but while it was happening I was watching it all. I heard people saying there were explosions going off in the building. I heard Guilianni saying that building 7 was coming down before it came down. Some of that film coverage has not been seen since. Alan, you do not impress me and if you are an engineer get your so called educated mind out from under your denial.
July 16, 2009, 03:42
I would like to know how Mary can make this kind of statement.
Is she one of the seven hundred survivors??
If she was in one of the buildings, how did she see the aircraft??
If she was on the ground, how did she see inside the windows??
She says she was there is just not reason enough for me.
How can you be disrepectful of anybody who was not actually on the aircraft??
These families were paid a great deal of insurance money not to ask questions.
If you look at the passenger manifests on each aircraft, and even the workers in the buildings, you will find that the people were on the aircraft sponsored or employed by the same twelve companies that have ruled the world since the organized crime days.
At some point someone will discover these missing people under the city of Dubai working to lead the world business as untraceable workers.
July 16, 2009, 03:11
Alan's statement is just so full of pathetic misdirection.
It is the same message from wayne earlier. What a load of meaningless garbage.
The truth is in the details you are avoiding.
You would be a disgrace to any engineering profession.
Answer me this bud: WHY hasn't ANY engineer EVER stood up in court under oath to make your arguments??
"thousands and thousands of experts" WHERE are they??
This is the same drumbeat the goverment wants to hypnotize the public with, and the public is not really that stupid.
The use of drone aircraft in Afghanistan is teaching the public new things and the "aircraft did it" stupidity will not hold up for long.
July 13, 2009, 05:59
April 30, 2009, 16:42, Alan wrote
> Any engineer will explain in minute detail why there is no conspiracy. I won't waste time getting into detail but the truth is intense concetrated heat from jet feul brought those buildings down. A jumbo jet travelling at almost 500 mph slamming into the Pentagon caused the penetration and disineigration of bodies and materials. Take a crash course in structural engineering or weapons design and these conspiracy theories will all fall away very quickly. Also, watch this or any other documentary on any subject you choose. Remove from that particular story anything that is theory and not proven fact. Review the evidence in front of you and make a rational decision based on fact. Do not allow emotion to make decisions of such magnitude for you. The people who hijacked those planes did. By the way, yes, I am an engineer.
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