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13 November, 2009, 23:37
Medvedev as “our kind of guy”

I am very pleased that mainstream media actually took the time to watch or read the text of President Dimity Medvedev’s address to the Federation Council on November 12. To date, the mainstream media has lazily focused on any comment coming from a Russian leader that portrays Russia as “authoritarian.”

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Maybe this is now changing – it would appear a new Russian narrative is in play. I call it “Medvedev as our kind of guy.” The mainstream media will be disappointed, I am afraid. Medvedev is not the antithesis of Vladimir Putin; he is part of the natural evolution of Putin’s vision for Russia.

Like many I was very impressed with the address, though at the same time I did not sense in anyway that Medvedev said anything significantly different from what he has said before. He is the same Medvedev that we watched as a presidential candidate and now as president. His ideas about Russia’s economy, civil society and foreign policy have not fundamentally evolved. That said, I would agree that his expression of his ideas are now becoming more nuanced. This is as it should be.

Medvedev was very blunt at times. He made it clear he had no illusions about the state of Russia’s economy and social spheres. Medvedev has been applauded for his openness in the Western media. However, Putin , too – as president – was just as open about his country’s flaws and challenges. But that is not the Putin the Western mainstream wishes to remember. If Western media would for a few moments remove their ideologically tinted glasses, they would realize that just about every thing Medvedev said about reform in Russia started under Putin.

Medvedev said that state shares in large companies should be reduced. Putin said the same. Unfortunately, the financial crisis forced the state to become more involved in the country that it would have liked (which mirrors state interventions in the West).

Medvedev spoke about badly needed legal reforms. But he didn’t start this process -- Putin did.

Medvedev said that Russia’s foreign policy should be pragmatic and devoid of ideology. During eight years of the Putin presidency, we heard the same. (The problem is the US and the rest of the Western world rarely took this seriously).

In terms of political reforms, again Medvedev’s ideas are not unique. Putin demanded a political system that created order out of chaos. With order now present, it is time to again to consider adjustments that allow more democratic feedback from the grassroots. Medvedev’s ideas about democratic reform and party development don’t necessarily make him into Russia’s Thomas Jefferson. Medvedev made it clear that those in Russia who desire to use democracy to return to political chaos will not be tolerated. At the end of the day, Medvedev only confirms the notion that he is Putin’s genuine successor when it comes to Russia’s democracy project.

Medvedev’s message is clearly about evolution. He certainly does present himself as being very different than Putin. Why should anyone be surprised by this? They are two different people, from different generations, and with different backgrounds. But one thing is clear to me: both want the same for Russia -- that Russia is strong, modern and in a state that reflects the hopes and attitudes of the people.

Is Medvedev “our kind of guy?” He certainly seems so. He speaks a language that the West can understand. And for a change it would seem that Medvedev has the unique ability to speak to his own people and the outside world at the same time. This can only be a plus for Russia’s image in the world and advancement of the country’s “soft power.”

However, let’s be clear about something: Medvedev in no way, shape or form is a repudiation of Putin’s legacy. My sense is that Putin is proud of his protégé. Medvedev is taking Russia in the direction that Putin has always intended. Ask yourself the following question: If Putin is so all-powerful and "autocratic," would he “allow” Medvedev to make such an address? Surely not.

Medvedev is the Putin that we can all understand. Medvedev’s Russia is a continuation of Putin’s. The Western mainstream focuses too much attention on the messenger and style. In reality, we have heard Medvedev’s message before.

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Marzipan6

21 November, 2009, 11:27

Bianca chooses to view this discussion exclusively through the lens of “neo-conservatism” (“neocons”). According to her, this explains my views, the views of certain writers whom I have quoted, the views of the Dalai Lama and a large number of other unnamed people, indeed the views of anyone who has something negative to report about Russia and Communism. According to Bianca, the neocon label both explains the reason for those views, and is the primary and only evidence needed to comprehensively dismiss those views. So by way of response, I will briefly discuss neo-conservatism, then my own position in regard to it, and thirdly some specific points from Bianca’s post.

First, neo-conservatism. There is no neocon party, organisation, society, company, or what have you. In this regard, neo-conservatism is quite different from, say, the Communist Party, the Masonic Lodge, the Nazi Party or the Dog and Goat Society. Neo-conservatism is a descriptive term which lacks coherent definition and coherent structure or any coherent membership even, and is increasingly used as a catch-all pejorative term for those who take issue with the abuses committed by Communism generally, the Soviet Union specifically, and Russia as the heir of both. As such, it is a label that is useful as a ploy to avoid analytically considering and logically discussing specific issues which are uncomfortable to some people, and for demonising, at a stroke, both those views and the holders of them. Using the label, “neocon” does not distill understanding, but obscures it.

Secondly, as to myself, I do not apply any labels to me or my views. I believe people and their views are more complex than simplistic labelling can convey. Before the time of neo-conservatism I never considered my self as an “archeo-conservative”, as I had many disagreements with conservative views. Nor did I consider myself a “liberal” for the same reason. I distilled my views from what I experienced, from what I saw, from what I knew, and as I have not fundamentally changed those views over the years, I cannot be a "neo-” anything, either. I present facts as I am aware of them, welcome factual discussion of them on the basis of verifiable factual evidence, and eschew labelling. If you want to pin any label on me at all, then pin the anti-label label.

Thirdly, some specific points from Bianca’s post.

(1) “Neocon world view is based on mad thinking … they are driven by madness.” Undoubtedly some to whom Bianca imputes neo-conservatism are mad, and undoubtedly some aren’t. The same may also be said for the rest of the human population. Inducting someone into the ranks of neocons, imputing a world view to all neocons (whatever “neocons” are) and calling both them and their world view mad neatly absolves one of the need to analyse specific arguments of specific people. Or does it?

(2) “They keep on repeating the same tales, tirelessly.” I guess Galileo also kept repeating tirelessly that Earth orbits the sun. The truth of Galileo’s assertion had little to do with either his tirelessness or with his tiresomeness, but on the underlying facts upon which he based his view. Same with those of the amorphous grouping whom Bianca calls neocons.

(3) “In their grand schema, Russia is the grand target.” I guess some might have alleged that in Galileo’s grand schema, the pope was the target of his heliocentric persuasion; but if they thought that, they would have been just as mistaken as Bianca. If certain realities are evoked, certain conclusions follow on from them. If the underlying realities are correct, then so are the conclusions, and vice versa. Beginning by imputing the motive of demonising Russia, and working backwards from there to the tirelessness of the proponents of some views, is like looking the wrong way through a telescope – to evoke another Galilean figure.

(4) The relative economic status of Russia, China, Europe and America may or may not be a problem to the alleged insane thinking of the supposed madmen whom Bianca conjures up for us. But more importantly, it is reality. And not only are the surface layers of those countries’ situations real – so are the deeper layers all the way to the core, and all of this reality will determine eventual outcomes because reality – all of it – is real. Now whether I and my thinking are as insane as Bianca suggests I do not know – after all, insane people are probably badly placed to judge their own sanity because their instrument of judgment is what is broken. But for my part, I would love to see a secure, democratic, prosperous, stable and content Russia that enjoys a relationship based on genuine friendship and genuine respect with all its neighbours. Such a Russia, and such a neighbourhood, would deliver the best quality of life for all concerned.

(5) As for how China is destroying Tibetan culture, for self-evident reasons Tibetans’ voice has to be accorded much, much more weight in any such discussion than China’s. And Tibetans’ voice is fairly consistent on this subject. For a general sense of what that voice says, Google “Tibet Online.”


Rodrigo

21 November, 2009, 02:51

I Just have to say GO Medvedev, Putin and RUSSIA, you are doing very well ,and President Medvedev has just made a knock out to the western media. Wish you the best from Guatemala.


Bianca

20 November, 2009, 20:55

Marzipan6,

your last post has finally convinced me that your worldview is shaped by the neoconservative narrative. All the stock phrases, all the definitions, all the "evidence" for their world view seems to be reflected in your writings. The choice of authors had me finally convinced. Anne Applebaum? I follow her regularly. She can be decorated and honored, but she is a neocon in a different garb. One gets chills reading her not so subtle aggressive posturing.

What makes a good writer? Sure, both Lucas and Applebaum can spin a sentence really good. But their bias is vile. The reason most people get a nauseating gag reflex reading such authors, is that most of us have some residual sense of conscience. And that prevents us from spinning a tale to my own liking, while distorting the reallity. And doing it in great style of a great writer. Frankly, this is what disgusts me.

Neocon world view is based on the mad thinking. It assumes that a world domination is possible, and they see themselves lording over it. Had Europeans had enough presence of mind, they could have stopped Hitler's rise to power early. They did not sense the madness that the elite of German society bought into, and then hoisted their deranged thinking onto the empoverished population.

I see neocons in the same light. They are driven by madness. I sincerly hope you can see through their "reputable" garb, and grasp the real message behind their fanciful intelectualism. And please do not think The Economist can be held up as a standard. I read it daily, and I see their pattern. They still do not get it: the colonial talk-down to the rest of the world is over. They are hopelessly behind times, stuck in the ideology and the vocabulary that belong to the high flying neocon era that began in nineties. Those were the days. When the "humanitarian" neocons ruled through Clinton's sleeze machine to continue lording over the Bush's clueless appointees.

Neocons know full well that the public opinion around the world has seen through their narrative. But they are not giving up. They keep on repeating the same tales, tirelessly. Who knows. Perhaps their buddies in the Federal Reserve can punish all those that dare not to see their greatness.

In their grand schema, Russia is the grand target. Just the thought of one country possessing this nuclear power is sufficient to drive them over the edge. The power hugry neocons understand only power. They cannot concieve of the world where nations coexist with all of their differences, for as long as everyone respects the international law. And why would they? They feel that the their will has to be imposed upon others. Their phylosophy can be summed up as follows: The only way to demonstrate power is to make someone do what they do not want to do.

This has been neocon credo for the longest time. Much of the US foreign policy has been based on "demonstrating power", not securing national interests. Neocons do not think like most people. They do not believe that superpower should be held back by international law. That is only for the weak to hide behind, and for the strong to prove that hiding behind the international law would not save you from the ire of the empire should you choose defiance.

But the problem has occured for neocons. Slowly but surely, the economic power has shifted to the East, while "Putin's" Russia was not crushed by the financial crisis. China has emerged much stronger. Other regional powers are moving in to fill the vacuum, economically and politically. Brazil in Latin America and Turkey on the Medditeranean. Iran's emergence as a regional power is being resisted by whatever means, while the much weakened Japan looks to China as a saviour in its most desparate financial hour. The special relationship with India is lately being tested. The traffic between Delhi and Moscow has become very heavy lately. In the last six months, India's president, Prime Minister (twice), Foreign Minister and the Defence Minister have visited Moscow. India has found itself in a predicament embracing too closely US positions.

Europe may find itself having more freedom. What will Europe do with it, is never certain. European moral code has never been reliable.
Neocons pushing this and all previous governments are getting desparate. They cannot impose their will on their former puppet in Afghanistan, so are now reduced to badmouthing him.

Most of the journalists and media people today still mimic the neocon narrative. And for good reason. Neocons dominate think tanks, newswires, commentaries and other news generating outlets. Then there are "serious" writers, bloggers, and "serious" media that echoe their message.

But the message is getting hollow. One needs to read only few lines from such writers to quickly pick up the narrative line.

They have their favorite lines. The ones about "Putin" or "Chechya" are already so hollow and boring, that one just wants to tell those people to get a life.

The standard line about Tibet is very interesting. China is "destroying" Tibetan culture. But nobody can actually say how exactly? What has been China doing all these years since 1959 when the rule of the slave-owners ended that clearly demonstrates that China is "destroying" Tibetan culture? How exactly? Usually, the answers are clever side-steps that avoid any meaningfull discussion. For example, China is bringing in Chinese to Tibet! And that proves what? That the trade has increased, and the standard of living is lifting in desparately poor Tibet. But the neocon thinking does not think that economic improvements are important (well, not for Tibet), something else is. What is that something else? Nobody can say. Nobody can say that China is prohibiting Tibetans from practicing their religion, their customs, or engaging in earning livelihoods. Just as many Chinese have taken advantage of the new railroad to Tibet, so are many Tibetans going to China for better work.
Nobody can say that China did not spend a mint renovating the dilapidated monasteries. The wealthy ex-feudal lords who stashed their money in the West, did not help their breathern and donate to fix the monasteries. Oh, no. They would have preferred to see them crumble so that the world will have the evidence of China's "destruction" of Tibetan culture. Well, this set up did not work.

All that Dalai Lama is trying to do is to restore some form of feudal priviledges in Tibet for his elite followers, even if this means under Chinese rule. China does not want a Trojan horse back. So that is where we are at.

In India accross the border from Tibet, the exiled Tibetans are in the quandry. The older generation loves Dalai Lama, and eschews the economic progress on Tibetan plateau. This is not the case with the young. They see the life under Indian Government where nothing has changed in the last fifty years, no improvements no progress. And they realize that life is moving on accross the mountains on Tibetan plateau.


johnx

20 November, 2009, 20:44

It looks like Misha (Suckasshvili) has been a bad boy or in US/Britain and EU’s case a very good one with the Georgian interior minister holding private meeting with Basayeav in 2004 and actively supporting Chechen terrorism.

http://www.nationalinterest.org/Article.aspx?id=22498

Which is not a surprise as I have been documenting and writing about for years how starting from 89 and 91/92 how western intelligence has been sponsoring terrorism in the Balkans, Russia, Eurasia and around the world.

Seriously Bogandov and others why is this issue of western terrorism and organised crime not taken seriously by Russians?

@Marzipan6

I had a more detailed post with links but at least half the comment got published including the real history and situation in Tibet although I cited references to works but other authors and professors like Kevin MacDonald and former AFP reporter Michael Hoffman II about who Stalin’s hangmen actually were.

I am guessing in Mr Rayfield works he does not cite US senate investigation that lists the financiers of Communism in Russia or the Encyclopaedia Khazaria which they themselves list who the top leaders of Communism were or the fact that all the pre-revolutionary Marxist Socialist groups were created by non-Russians including the group that killed Czar Alexander II and the first “Russian” Marxist Nicholas Utin.

Mr Lucas is a propagandist for Rothschild from some of the main points of his book and his assertion that the Kremlin did it can be debunked.

Litvenenko case were all the evidence points to the fact that he was involved smuggling plutonium for Berezovsky/MI6. The official story/narrative is a lie which the evidence proves.

Politkovskaya (daughter of Soviet elites in New York) murder where even her son does not think the Kremlin killed her and why would they suddenly in 2006 when all the major Chechen warlords were killed and on Putin’s birthday (o’gee you wouldn’t be trying to indirectly implicate the Kremlin) perhaps he would like to comment of Berezovsky critic and Putin supporter Paul Klebnikov murder in Moscow in 2004.

Changes in regional elections after the Beslan massacre in the region to combat terrorism which are aligned with regional leaders and criminal gangs which proved successful of course that was painted as being un-democratic.

Central Bank murder were there has been a trail and conviction

Arrest of Khoderkovsky Rothschilds man in Russia fails to mention his arrest was because he was about to sign a contract with Exxon-Mobile signing over Yukos oil and gas transit pipeline rights to the US abroad essentially outsourcing the bulk of the Russian economy.

And there is probably other examples I could list if I knew more of the content of his book.

And what exactly critical things does he or Mr Mr Rayfield say about the Soros/CIA installed regimes in Ukraine and Georgia.

In my original post I had a description of the situation in Ukraine how the Orange coup regime has plunged the country into poverty and debt and like in 91/92 the foreign investment 80% worth is going straight into the banks.

Perhaps these two clowns would like to comment on that situation.

@Bogdanov

This issue and Russia's total failure to debunk this propaganda is what especially when the exact same thing happened to the Serbs in the Balkans wars during the 90's.

Not just in Russia but Bosnia, Kosovo Central Asia, Pakistan, Algeria, Afghanistan (fought with the Taliban) and Iraq.

Have you read Paul Murphy's excellent book Wolves of Islam?


Bogdanov

19 November, 2009, 16:04

johnx. Good post.
Regarding Chechnya I may just add, that while the West was outraged by "Russian military invasion" to this Russian territory, the neocons were quiet about the fact that that at the dusk of the USSR and initial years of the post-Soviet Russia some Chechen's radical groups were running slave (literally) camps on their territory. They kidnapped people around the country, brought them in Chechnya, and nobody ever saw them again. Using the weakness of the Soviet/Russian system of that time, the Chechen extremists and separatists unrolled the full-fledged genocide, basically, returning this part of the USSR/Russia back to the dark ages. And they were cruel as animals. And not only on their territory. The groups of terrorists periodically (and quite often) run to the neighboring Russian districts. At the time while I was living in that region, there was a case, then the terrorists caught Russian family, cut them on pieces, and hanged the body parts on the tree. And numerous cases of just "regular" killing and kidnapping.

And I have serious doubts that neocons didn't know about it. Because, those Chechen guerrillas were trained in the mojahedin camps in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia sponsored and financed by them. But, the Western media (with the help of "journalists" like Lucas) twisted everything -- victims became bad guys, and terrorists became victims. And not many people in the West know the truth -- that the war in Chechnya started to clean that territory from animals in the "human uniform". This war became a disaster for Russia later, when Russian oligarchs and high-rank criminals realized that they could use this war for money laundry. And as such they were interested to prolong this was as much as possible. In the expense of all those people who lived in those regions (not only Chechnya, but also the neighboring territories) and whose live they turned to hell...

I think, Putin did pretty good job to heal those wounds and return live there back to normal. But, again, people in the West don't know that. Because, this piece of information "conveniently" was not put into the "pipe" which feeds them.


Marzipan6

19 November, 2009, 09:19

Bogdanov, if you Google “Donald Rayfield” or the titles of some of his books that I named in my original post, you will come across a very large number of on-line entries about him. While most of these may not provide an analysis of the man himself, together they demonstrate the fact that he is a serious scholar, and reflect the credibility in which he is generally held.

As for Edward Lucas, you will also find a fair bit of information about him on the web. He is likewise respected in his own field, which is that of journalism and writing – The Economist is not a radical publication and does not employ extremists. His comments about Russia are informed by the fact that he has had at least 20 years of direct personal experience of Eastern Europe, having lived and worked in many countries there, including Estonia and Russia, and this experience enables him to drill down to facts without suffering from either Western preconceptions or Russian propaganda. As you will appreciate, I know Estonia fairly well. So does Lucas, and he writes a fair bit about the country, not all of it flattering, I might add. However I have never known the information he has written about the country to contradict my own first-hand knowledge of the place. Nor have I ever known him to write anything about Russia that contradicts what I know to be Estonians’ first-hand experience of Russia.

His book, “The New Cold War”, actually makes chilling reading, and places the few sentences that I quoted from it firmly into context. Anne Applebaum, 2004 Pulitzer prize-winning author of “Gulag: a History” (which I have also read and recommend) makes the following comment on Lucas’ book: “Edward Lucas is one of the best-informed, best-connected and most perceptive journalists writing about Putin’s Russia. ‘The New Cold War’ is essential reading for anyone who wants to understand what is happening in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union today.”

As for your comments about traditions not always being something positive, I already agreed with that point from Bianca’s post. But setting aside some negative traditions is not justification for eventually destroying a whole culture.


Bogdanov

19 November, 2009, 00:32

Marzipan6. After I read your original post where you mentioned names Rayfield and Lucas, I spent some time trying to find out who they are. I couldn't find much information about Rayfield, but Lucas is more or less exposed... Interestingly enough, but my first impression about him is exactly the same like Bianca's -- Lucas cannot be considered as legitimate source of information about Russia. As I see it, he created that image of "ugly Russia" in his head and devoted his life to prove it (I guess, paid well for this by neocons). He has been studying Russia and Russians as animals in the zoo -- outside the cage and with attitude of superiority. He, seems, one of those parasites who keeps the regular Western people in darkness and creates problems between nations. I may be wrong, though. But, as I said, this is my impression after studying his biography and spending some time on his blog...

He is my point with this introduction. Similar to Bianca, I think, Lucas was bad choice of yours to support the view you presented. Because, normally, I consider your words as legitimate ones assuming that they come from your own experience or things you know for sure. I know little bit about Chechnya and Caucasus, I used to live among Muslims in Russia. The nonsense and russophobic garbage which Lucas poring to the media doesn't match what I know for sure. Or, as a minimum, his view is shamelessly unbiased and one-sided. So, now, after this simple reality check fails -- I have to dismiss your words as well. Because, they come from Lucas...

Another thing where I support Bianca -- maintaining traditions is not necessarily a good thing. For example, before Soviet system was brought to Central Asia, it was a place full of traditions. The traditions, where women existed only to serve men. Where vast majority of the population had only one choice -- to spend all their life looking after flocks of sheep. Where several super-rich from the ruling cast had unlimited power and full control of their half-slaves. The worst part -- their primary tradition was to keeps things as they are. The Soviets brought civilization there. Many of those natives, who would never had chance even to erect themselves from that eternal bows, were able to improve the quality of their lives significantly. So, I would, personally, very welcome to crash to dust those traditions which maintain the society in the state where relationships between humans mimic those from the animal kingdom.

Bianca. You said: "I understand that many in the west would prefer to see Tibet stay frozen in time". I think, that the West doesn't care about Tibet per se. The neocons care about Tibet as long as it allows them to mess with China. I am quite sure, that if relationships between the US and China will become a complete "brotherhood", the "problem" with Tibet will go away by itself. Without any changes in the current relationships between China and Tibet.


Tarik

18 November, 2009, 22:44

Great article John, love your show.

marzipan6, you keep on saying soviet Russia, wasn’t it the Soviet Union or to be exact the USSR? Or maybe you think that USSR stands for Union of Soviet Socialist Russia, well sorry to tell you that USSR stand for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
What I understood is you would want Putin or Medvedev to apologize for the USSR (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) atrocities during Stalin’s era? Why don’t you ask Saakashvili to apologize? If you didn’t know Stalin was Georgian. The prime minster of Australia apologized for the atrocities that Australia committed. I don’t think that Putin or Medvedev (who are Russian and are the leaders of Russia, not Soviet Russia or USSR or any other made up country you conjure ) should apologize for USSR’S (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) ethnically Georgian leader (Stalin) atrocities.
I think that marzipan6 is trying to heat up the debate.


johnx

18 November, 2009, 21:14

@Marzipan6

Who created and ran the GULAG system?

Who trained, financed and installed Communism in Russia?

I am glad you posted those quotes as it exposes the dismal state of our media and academia especially in regards to Russia and foreign affairs which acts as a propaganda outlet refute you're remarks and the sources you quote especially on the issue of the bogus "genocide" of the Chechens and social and economic decline of Russia of IMF imposed economic agenda with the sorry state of affairs which constitutes or mass media The only ones being genocided in Chechnya were the ethnic Russian population first rapes, kidnapping, murders by the first presidents militias and purges of ethnic Russians from the local government and ethnically cleansed the entire Russia and non Russian population of Russia 200,000+ from there region bombed out of there villages by warlords who moved Chechen families into there villages.

You could also add to there path of destruction Bosnia, Russia’s neighboring Republics and across Russia, Central Asia, China, Kosovo, Waziristan and Iraq.

Miraculously the ethnic Chechen population has more than doubled by 2002 a time where they said a impossible 150,000 more people were killed in a 2 year period which you also have to take into account by their own words that half the population immigrated abroad after the first war, killed in the civil war (why Russia entered the region in the first place), killed in terrorist training camps in Afghanistan fighting US and British forces in Iraq and Pakistan, those killed by foreign Jihadists/organized crime, etc while the ethnic Russia’s population has declined by nearly 4 million.
By 1998 4 million Russian children had died due to preventable diseases.

As for the depopulation of groups in the Arctic the period he cites is when the Oligarchs in 96 heavily financed and promoted with there control of the media put Yeltsin into power for a second term and as well as other institutions like OSCE help rig the election to bring Yeltsin into powers where these western/Israeli Russian oligarchs and had total control of the government appointed there people into power and the worst part with Berezovsky who appointed himself the head of security in Russia secretly aiding and abetting Chechen militants.

In 98 these thieving Oligarchs had the audacity to star in a real life series for Israeli TV called The Oligarchs boost about there exploits and

In that year Soros orchestrated the 98 Asia financial crash that severely damaged the Russia economy even further.

And everyone admits that Russia’s disastrous post Soviet decline was due to Soros/Harvard economists “shock therapy” that dismantled the industrial center, caused hyper-inflation were foreign currency pumped into western banks in rigged auction run by Khodorkovsky with money forwarded by

Maybe if Mr Donald Rayfield contacted actual experts on the region who have been reporting there the entire time and interviewed them which consists of about 5 people which includes people like Robert Bruce Ware and former CIA counter terrorism official in Russia Paul Murphy who runs Russian Eurasian Terror Watch Analysis
If he is so concerned about Russia then perhaps he can speak to Berezovsky who resides in London and petition these other Oligarchs that laundered $1 trillion into offshore accounts. .

So it was when the Oligarchs came to power the Arctics regions population declined only when Putin came to power and abandoned IMF imposed economic policy did standards improve and population grows start. We will see if 2010 census shows an increase in there population.

So it is not Russia that it is committing genocide it is Britain, US and the EU.

As for Mr Lucas he is the chief propagandist for the Rothschild owned Economist newspaper the same Lord Rothschild who owned the Yukos oil company who through the Menatep bank help launder billions of dollars to an offshore account in the Isle of Man and his frontman George Soros engineered the economic collapse of post-Soviet Russia

And he admits that his book The New Cold War he did not research it himself he was commissioned to write the book which he wrote in a think about 2 months (not completely sure on that one) and his publishers sent him all the relevant information.

I have not read his book which I hear is basically a rehash of western media coverage of Russia over an 8 year period with the easily debunked threat being the main thesis of his book.

The truly genocidal mafia regime in Kosovo KLA who have tortured, massacred and ethnically cleansed almost the entire Serb populations and is the premier mafia, drug and sex capital of Europe who run terrorist training camps have hired the Economist to run propaganda for their regime paying them 5.7 million euros (drug and sex slavery money because that is the economy).

“As part of the campaign for changing Kosovo image in the world, Kosovo separatist authorities engaged the renowned London weekly paper The Economist to spread propaganda that separatist run province is not a mafia-ran entity.
Separatists are to pay 200,000 euros so that several texts favorable of Kosovo separatist can appear in 5,000 copies.

Eminent European journalists, particularly from the countries with large communities of Albanian immigrants, describe Kosovo as mafia state and a territory safe for criminals and drug smugglers, with weak institutions governed by corrupt family networks, and in some cases as the European Columbia, which portrays the presumed role of Kosovo as the great European drug supplier, the media in Pristina reported on Wednesday.

However, three introductory pages of the new issue of The Economist magazine have been added to the usual in order to claim that what prominent journalists say is not true.

The expanded addition of The Economist will also run by 5,000 more copies from its regular 1.3 million circulation.

All this is in part with the agreement The Economist made with the separatists that hold grip on power in Kosovo.

Kosovo separatists have hired the Israeli company Saatchi & Saatchi to make media believe that Kosovo is a good place.

Separatists have allocated 5.7 million euros for such propaganda activities.
Kosovo is a Serbian province whose Albanian violent separatists have illegally declared independence in 2008 after ethnically cleansing over two thirds of the Serbian population while NATO troops, there since 1999, claim they are there to keep peace. The remaining Serbs are exposed to daily attacks of various sorts. Some states have extended a diplomatic recognition to these separatists claiming the province is a “unique” case”

There not automatically branded extremist if they are it is because western backed Islamic terrorist have recruited and set up terror cells in Tatarstan and other regions.
The CIA through Turkey and Saudia Arabian finance Fetullah Gulen Universities and schools have spent millions of dollars in Russia and Central Asia to promote radical jihadism.

That’s just a lie about minority groups because Russia has spent millions in restoration of different minority groups regions they even have Duma representation for the minority black population in Russia.

Hypocritical for him to talk about minorities when Britain is involved in secret rendition flights across the world of Muslims who I might add the top terrorists leaders and recruiters like Abu Qatada and Abu Hamza were in the pay or worked with MI5/MI6 recruiting terrorists to fight in Bosnia, Chechnya and Central Asia or the above mentioned Kosovo where the regime launches pogroms and terrorist attacks against the Serb minority population destroying over 100%+ churches and Iraq where 1,500 intellectuals and academia have been killed by 2006 and how the US was training death squads for there appointed leader.

Did he have any serous criticism towards the Oligarchs in Russia during their reign in the 90’s?

Perhaps he would like to comment on the situation in Ukraine


Marzipan6

18 November, 2009, 12:20

To John, who has heard that children were removed from Britain and sent to institutions in Australia for some decades of the last century, and that many Aboriginal children were also taken from their families and placed into institutions. I wonder has he also heard that the Australian Prime Minister and the entire Australian federal parliament has deeply apologized for both of these events, and that these two separate apologies were broadcast live around the nation and cheered by people everywhere as they heard it?

John hasn’t heard that?

That’s all right, I haven’t heard that Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev or the Duma has offered equivalent apologies, either, to Russians and their neighbors, or that these apologies were broadcast live throughout Russia and cheered by the people.


Marzipan6

18 November, 2009, 12:17

I’m sorry that Bianca chooses to address the subject by way of expressing personal insults, and I will assure her and others that I will not do the same. A matter stands or falls on facts that pertain to it, not by the presumed character traits of forum participants.

In fact, I will agree with Bianca. The quotes I posted are indeed selective. They are a few selected sentences, one from a book of 528 pages written by a professor of Russian and Georgian at the University of London who is also the author of a number of other books including “The Literature of Georgia: A History”, and “Anton Chekhov: A Life.” My other quote is a few sentences from 260 pages which is published in 12 languages and is written by The Economist magazine’s senior Central and East European Correspondent. If Bianca wishes to read a less selective presentation of the matter, she will be easily able to obtain both books.

I also agree with Bianca on another matter, namely that asserting that China is destroying Tibetan culture is seriously offensive, and already explained in a previous post that the guilty readily find allegations of their guilt offensive. Whereas China finds the allegation offensive, Tibetans find the reality offensive beyond words. No, I have not been to Tibet recently, and neither, in fact, has the Dalai Lama. However, I have no reason to disbelieve the united voice of Tibetans on the matter both at home and abroad. Their claims have added credibility because I understand all to well and at rather closer quarters the modus operandi of Communist regimes elsewhere, and Tibetan allegations are entirely consistent with these.

There is even a third matter on which I agree with Bianca, namely that China has put a stop to some Tibetan social practices which were harmful. Just like Soviet Russia put a stop to more than some Nazi practices in areas that it occupied that were also harmful, to put it mildly. No one blames either the Communist Chinese or Communist Russians for that, and I have even heard the Dalai Lama comment on the fact that some Tibetan practices were bad and needed to be stopped. But in each case, Communists are blamed, and rightly so, for the regime with which they replaced such things.


Bogdanov

18 November, 2009, 05:49

Reading some opinions and articles in the Western media and learning more about Medvedev, I have better understanding why Peter put these words in quotes -- "our kind of guy". Because, Westerners misinterpret Medvedev. And I agree with Peter -- they may be disappointed when they know him better. Because, he is not going to sell Russia to them. He is not reincarnation of Yeltsin. Medvedev is not playing any role and any game -- he is who he is -- the politician from the new generation. With the world view which is not very much bounded by countries borders and national differences. Who understands that the world is interconnected and interdependent. And who is willing and ready to be a member of the world community. He is ready to build the respectful relationships with others. But not in expense of the country he leads. The Westerners may find him being as tough (or even more tough) as Putin, if they cross certain threshold. He will be nice with them as long as they will be nice with him.
Again, I make this assumption, based on that information I have about him and those similarities I find between us. I, personally, could help and defend others as much as I can. I am ready to listen arguments and try to understand my opponents no matter how unreasonable they sound. But, in case of any conflict situation, I need zero microseconds to make decision which side I am on. And my actions will fast and determined.


Bianca

18 November, 2009, 00:22

Marzipan6,
and you call these "facts"?

"And from pages 75 and 76 of “The New Cold War” by Edward Lucas (2008), Any organization that tries to represent Russia’s ethnic minorities can expect especially harsh treatment. Those from Muslim regions, such as Tatarstan, are immediately painted as extremists and terrorists. Anyone showing the faintest sympathy for Chechnya is risking their freedom, if not their life… Lower-profile causes with an ethnic dimension attract barely less vindictive treatment. The 600,0000 strong Mari ethnic minority, for example, is a remnant of the Finno-Ugric tribes whose lands once stretched from Siberia to the Baltic Sea…. After a brief national revival in the 1990s, they have now become the target of a vicious campaign of chauvinistic repression, spearheaded by the president of the republic, Leonid Markelov.”

What a pack of nonsense! Disregarding facts, telling untruths, dissembling. These are the ramblings of an obviously biased individual. But then, your standards are low. You live for exaggerations, demonization, white-wash --- all according to needs. Your selectivity is legendary, and cannot be taken seriously. I guess, if it amuses you, go on.

Your assertion that China is destroying Tibetan culture is seriously offensive. Have you visited Tibet lately? Even though Tibet was part of China for centuries, the world jet setter Dalai Lama makes it sound like China occupied Tibet, and he and his supporters had to flee. What he fails to say, and his Western interlocutors allow him to fluff-up, is that China has finally put the end on the Tibetan "tradition" of owning slaves. Landowning privileged class in Tibet were selling their servants and enslaved farmers for any reason, including payment of their gambling debts. China has been putting up with that "tradition" too long, and had to put an end to it. When the Dalai Lama and his hierarchy fled, they did so because the landowning and slave owning class was dispossessed. They could no longer live comfortably by the feudal system that sustained them for centuries. The time came for change, and Dalai Lama chose resisting the Chinese government instead. That was his choice. But to now pretend that it is Tibetan culture that is being destroyed --- please. I understand that many in the west would prefer to see Tibet stay frozen in time. A mountain top Brigadoon, that is impervious to the changes in the world. I am sorry that their experience will not longer be authentic. .

But up there in Tibet a little boy is is dreaming to drive a car someday. With the millions being pulled out of poverty each year in China, his goal will probably become reality. It would not be is the Dalai Lama and his landowning disgruntled feudal lords get their way.


Vyacheslav Bezusov

17 November, 2009, 16:53

Peter,
Your article is spot on. I am sick and tired of reading all the pundits (certain Russian ones, too, like Masha Lipman) with all their inaccuracies. They don't have a clue!

Marzipan6,
As usual, your russophobia shines through loud and clear. Medvedev says all the right things, and the truth, and you STILL can't get over your chauvinism. Yes, Russia has many problems, and unfortunately skinheads and National Bolsheviks and Communists and Stalinists and many other groups rear their ugly heads. And there are way too many corrupt cops and bureaucrats, etc. A lot of this is a result of the evil parts of Soviet legacy, without a doubt. But Russia is progressing, and these jerks don't represent the typical Russian. "Shapka Monomakha tyazhela," and neither Putin nor Medvedev can "legislate morality" and decency. That's why it is so important for ALL (or at least most) European countries to return to their traditional morality-based Christian roots. Unfortunately, over 70 years of communism took a very heavy toll, to say the least. But Russia is leading the way to overcome this, especially under the outstanding leadership shown by Medvedev and Putin (and yes, Lavrov, too). When one compares Russia's current leadership to Georgia's, Belarus's, Kazakhstan's, Ukraine's, and all the other former Soviet republics, there is no contest. It is obvious that Russia has the most gifted leadership among them, thank God! So stop your bellyaching and constant criticizing of Russians for the sins of the Russian-hating USSR. Remember, Russians were the FIRST and MOST NUMEROUS victims of the Soviet Communist menace. That's a fact, Jack! Also, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, and their ilk were "equal opportunity murderers," killing or repressing anyone and everyone who (they thought) got in their way, regardless of their nationality, ethnicity or religion. This is why claims of genocide (in the strictest sense) ring hollow, because it was based on class warfare and annihilation of certain social groups, as opposed nationality or ethnicity (Chechen-Ingush and Crimean Tatars being the exception, but they were "ethnically cleansed" through deportations, and not sent to gas chambers). If the Soviets were guilty of genocide, then it would have to be extended to ALL nationalities and ethnic groups, TO INCLUDE THE RUSSIANS, because of the "equal opportunity" aspect of the Red Terror. That's why Solzhnenitsyn got it right, but too many today playing the "victims of genocide" card are simply wrong (this does not include the true victims of Nazi genocide during WW II), trying to deflect from their own countrymen's cooperation with the Red Terror (and trying to curry favor with the ignorant and uninformed russophobes and diehard cold warriors in the West). It's so easy to just blame it all on the "evil" and "barbaric" Russians, whose "DNA" (remember Bush's remark?) prevents them from having "democracy." Get my drift, Sherlock?


john

17 November, 2009, 14:44

M6, change the record. It is overdue, enough of that. If you do not have future in your artificial country move to the beloved West.
Josef Stalin was an Angel by all means. Atrocities committed by the evils of the West would deeply embarrass him. I just learned how poor children were hunted in Britain and Australia (both apparently democratic) taken away from their parents and sent to the Australian Gulag. 150 000 of them from Britain !!! What a democracy !!! Together with Australian Aboriginal children Australia were running children’s labour camps for 500 000 children between the years of 1930 and 1970. What a shame.


Marzipan6

17 November, 2009, 11:38

To Lolo, who rejoices about the survival of ethnic minorities in Russia, here is a quote from page 457 of the book, “Stalin and his Hangmen” by Donald Rayfield (2004):

“Russia is now locked into a global economy and today’s rulers have no reason to murder millions of peasants or terrorize the professional classes. Genocide, however, is carried on by other means, and not only in Chechnya. In the last ten years, for instance, half of the indigenous peoples of Russia’s Arctic regions have perished: 240,000 were alive in 1989, 120.000 are alive today. By destroying their pastures and fishing grounds, removing every support for their existence except vodka and tobacco, Russia’s present government has proved as lethal as the GULAG.”

And from pages 75 and 76 of “The New Cold War” by Edward Lucas (2008), Any organization that tries to represent Russia’s ethnic minorities can expect especially harsh treatment. Those from Muslim regions, such as Tatarstan, are immediately painted as extremists and terrorists. Anyone showing the faintest sympathy for Chechnya is risking their freedom, if not their life… Lower-profile causes with an ethnic dimension attract barely less vindictive treatment. The 600,0000 strong Mari ethnic minority, for example, is a remnant of the Finno-Ugric tribes whose lands once stretched from Siberia to the Baltic Sea…. After a brief national revival in the 1990s, they have now become the target of a vicious campaign of chauvinistic repression, spearheaded by the president of the republic, Leonid Markelov.”


Marzipan6

17 November, 2009, 11:19

Bogdanov, I certainly don’t believe that cultural chauvinism is limited only to China or Russia. Imperial Britain was a great exponent of it, but that is now history. America still practices it, but it is not impervious to criticism and is not out of reach of due process of law. How many American military abuses, for example (British ones too, for that matter) do we know about precisely because Washington and London actually investigate and publicize their own misdeeds?

Western countries, though very far from perfect, are still able to be influenced by democratic checks and balances and by processes of law. Totalitarian countries like China can’t be, while hyper-chauvinistic ones like Russia, which are neither quite democracies nor dictatorships, aren’t particularly influenced by public opinion (it is too tightly controlled to be effective), by processes of law (these are often too corrupt to be effective) or by democratic checks and balances (these are too compromised to be effective). Therefore the victims of their chauvinism – Tibet, in this case – can resort only to the indirect approach used by the Dalai Lama. China considers this insulting, but apparently does not think of its destruction of Tibetan culture as insulting.


lolo

17 November, 2009, 10:32

At least the ethnic minorities are still alive in Russia and China. US slaughetered the Red Indians. Or doesn't this bother you Marzipan?


Bogdanov

16 November, 2009, 15:44

The minds of Americans are pretty messed up these days. The latest movie -- "2012" -- says everything about what many of them (at least, those whom I see around) think about their country and their leaders these days... I want to point out, that this movie is a mainstream (epic) Hollywood picture. Stupid as usual -- something like new version of the old movie "Armageddon". But, I guess, it "represents" (targets) the mentality of an "average" American 2009. (Note, that, I personally, think that Americans are much smarter than presented by the mainstream media).

Now, the movie and its political contents...
"The world is about to be destroyed. And the American leaders choose to hide this fact from their own people. But, they (similar to leaders of other countries) secretly started preparation for their own escape -- building the ships (Noah's Arks) in the Tibet mountain region of .... China!? The country were, I guess, salvation lies and, seems, the only one which is capable of building something on the grand scale today... When the disaster strikes, the US government takes the Air Force One and flies to China leaving people on their own. In the desperate attempts to save themselves, regular Americans (presented in the movie by a young family) find rich Russians (I could not recognize the dialect of Russian language they use) who are willing to take Americans (due to their knowledge and skills, which Russians need for the trip) and fly to China on the old Russian plane. But, the plane crashes in the vicinity of the desired destination and, now both Americans and Russians find themselves in the mercy of Chinese... After worst days are over, the survivors are moving to their new Home -- Africa..."

What strikes me in this movie -- more humble attitude exhibited by Americans.
a) No more they presented as leaders of the world who dictate others what to do. But, rather as an equal member of the world community. From totally about dozen ships, the American one has number 4. I am wondering whom number 1, 2, and 3 belong? I guess, #1 is Chinese ship.
b) Americans do not believe that they are capable to save themselves without others (read: Chinese).
This is really big change. And it is little bit shocking for me. I couldn't expect, that it may happen so soon...
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To Marzipan6.
While I am not going to argue with you about the fact that big countries and nations tend to dissolve the ethnicity and cultures of small national groups (not necessarily, in the hostile way), I am wondering, why do you think that this is applicable only to Russia and China? I don't remember you ever mentioned that countries like the US or Britain do the same. In fact, I think, they do it on much bigger scale.


Marzipan6

16 November, 2009, 09:58

To Astrea, who believes the Dalai Lama “spends all his time flying around the world creating strife and friction by insulting China!” The Dalai Lama represents a culture that, thanks to China’s invasion and occupation, is dying. Once Tibetan culture dies, Tibetan ethnicity will become as significant as the ethnicity of some Italian who might trace his ancestry back to a Roman centurion – in other words, it will be meaningless.

There is only a limited window of time available in which the decline and destruction of Tibetan culture, and therefore of Tibetan identity, can be reversed – a time will come when it will be too late, and Tibet as a unique land and people will be destroyed forever. For the world this will be an impoverishment – but Tibetans themselves it will be a calamity. Naturally enough, the Dalai Lama tries to avert this.

As far as I am aware, from what I have seen and read of him, the Dalai Lama does this not by insulting China, but by trying to work with China, moderately and reasonably. Since China refuses direct negotiations, he tries to talk to China from abroad, and of course, China does hear what he says from there. But aggressors usually have a very fraught and on-edge conscience, and in the context of Tibet, China is absolutely an aggressor. To an aggressor, even a ship in a bottle might be deemed to be insulting if it in any way tries to allude to the aggression. Unfortunately it is not possible to save Tibet from cultural and eventually national destruction if the direct implications of Chinese aggression are not alleviated. To China, this is insulting.

For pretty much the same psychological dynamics Moscow to this day feels insulted when Eastern Europeans tell it that the Red Army won victory over the Nazis all right but did not liberate them, merely exchanged one totalitarian oppression for another.


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